your right,and a trade for most lads from the uk was a way to earn a good livining,if you did'nt do uni and get a degree.,so you could still afford a home,wife kids,but now,having served your time wont mean diddley,and with the attitude of most they dont bother,sad as it is 1 in 5 is livining in poverty in the uk,now getting a trade might just ...